Folks, this post is going to be a doozy. It’s been rattling around in my brain for a very long time, and I finally feel that the time is right to post it. For this, I will blame the esteemed Tom Kratman, who accidentally reminded me of it in a conversation earlier. It’s going to be long, and dark, and go into places the human psyche is not always comfortable in. I have faith my readers can weather it, but if you’ve any question… now is the time to check out. Take my warning seriously, here.
In the manosphere, the various hodgepodge collection of sites emphasizing a return to masculinity for men, I encountered a comment some years ago which stuck with me. In it, a man who had been banging a number of women lamented that every woman he encountered was a Cenobite, one of Clive Barker’s seekers of pain through pleasure. They would say “choke me until I pass out, hit me, spank me until I bleed, cut me…” They would demand ever-greater excesses, because they were unable to feel pleasure if it did not include pain. He didn’t care — all he wanted was to get laid, so he’d do whatever they asked of him — but he didn’t understand why women were this way, or why he could find so few who weren’t like this. He seemed to have a sense that things were not always this way.
In my DJ career, I have spent a great deal of time in communities and scenes that normal folks would regard as underground. For many years, I DJed BDSM parties, Fetish events, and the like. I’ve DJed warehouses and clubs with no names, buried in the wreckage of abandoned industrial parks. The marketplace of sex is one which I know exceedingly well. I’ve been DJing these scenes for the better part of 20 years.
To quote Blade Runner, I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
As that commenter lamented, so I’ve seen first-hand. These SJWs, the radical feminists who spend their lives fighting the Patriarchy? They come to my clubs to be beaten senseless on crosses, chained to them by men dressed in uniforms very reminiscent of the Nazis. Yes, it’s a thing, as anybody who has ever been to a Goth club can attest. They demand to be tied up, burned, bruised, and battered.
Go on social media, and you will see SJWs telling us that Nazis are everywhere, that they are evil, and foul, and legion. They are in the White House, they are on Youtube, they are on Twitter, they are in Video Games. Nazis, everywhere. And so they march out into the streets, the Black Bloc, Antifascists engaging in what Tom Kratman calls a bit of political theater (not unlike Fascists once did).
But at the end of a long week of fighting the cisnormative heteropatriarchy, they come to be beaten by men dressed as Nazis, to the gritty beats of loud Industrial music in the depths of an Industrial park.
And what’s more, RadFems have come to resemble these very same Cenobites, covered in piercings, dyes, and tattoos, such that the difference between Hellraiser’s Pinhead and the average denizen of Slut Walk is minimal at best. And then they say “I’m a slut, but that doesn’t mean I consent.”
Go to any Slut Walk, I guarantee you’ll see worse.
Then, off they go to have simulated rape, to cry “yes Daddy” to the men they hate, after a day of fighting the Patriarchy in the streets.
Now they will say there is a difference, that it’s all okay because they consented to it. They came to the club. They asked for it. And it is true, to some extent. There are rules in such communities. But why, if you hated a thing so much would you come to love its reflection so deeply?
There is something deep here, some psychological damage present in the West, such that we, as an entire civilization, have lost the ability to take pleasure in anything, and have merely exchanged pleasure for pain in everything we do. Pleasure has lost its novelty. We are like Slaanesh in the Warhammer 40k world.
Where once we celebrated achievement, putting a man on the moon, inventing, building, and learning… now we celebrate victimhood in a form of emotional sadomasochism. Everything is about being made to feel bad. Imagine coming to work in the morning, chugging your cup of coffee, seeing a friend and saying “hey, how’s it going?” Said friend responds cheerfully and happily, “oh, it’s been going horrible, I got run over by a bus, and discriminated against by HR, catcalled by a thug, and my house burned down then got sucked into a tornado! How’s it with you?”
It’s almost that ridiculous.
If you walked on the moon, check your privilege, because I’m a bigger victim than you. If you cured AIDS, fuck you, you were privileged because you’re white, or have a penis. They will say things like, oh you want to know what challenge is, Mr. Quantum Physicist? Challenge is trying to make it in STEM when you’re mentally ill, bipolar, on meds, when you’re a genderqueer black Hispanic Muslim lesbian from Somalia. Who got sucked into a tornado.
Forget curing cancer, cure racism, they say.
And then they, too, go to the club and get beaten by the guys with floggers and chains. Business has never been better, let me tell you.
I see it everywhere. I see women spurning “lesser” men, finding the most intimidating, scarred, barbaric thug on the dance floor and making out with him all night, and it hits me. I see barbaric men starting fights over stupid shit, and everybody drinking until they can’t see or walk straight, filing out of the club at 3AM to try and crawl their way home. This is our entire civilization right now. These people are in power, and are doing on a meta level exactly the same sort of thing I see from my DJ booth.
They scoured the world for the most barbaric and twisted belief systems they could possibly find, and said “come to our home. Beat us. Be our Nazis.” Islam, certainly, can do that well enough. It is more than willing. And so they come, hordes of men mostly (why bring the women and children in such a circumstance?).
The Cenobites are at the helm of our civilization, and they solved the Lament Configuration, and are taking us to the dimension where pleasure and pain are meaningless distinctions. Choke me, hit me, tie me to a cross and stone me to death, Islam. Kill me in the streets.
Then they can be a better victim, to achieve even less than they do now, to achieve negative achievement, to actually rollback civilization, to be nothing more than burka-clad objects, who can’t read, or write, or drive an automobile.
These RadFems don’t want less Patriarchy, they want more Patriarchy. They don’t want less Nazis, they want more Nazis. A civilization full of weak-minded fools has broken them, somehow. Deprived of any form of constructive masculinity, people have gone out to seek it among the barbarians. Better a Mohammed than a boy-man who thinks his gender is an Oscar Meyer wiener. You could sell them to a Saudi prince as a sex slave, and they’d experience true joy.
Was this how Rome fell, all those years ago? Some poor asshole solved the Lament Configuration, and out popped Alaric and his merry band of Visigoths?
I’ve recognized local protesters at the club, submitting to a guy who served in the sandbox and took a few rounds for his trouble. He’s everything they should hate, a big scary Right-wing man with guns who’s seen the shit and has that stare that says don’t fuck with me in spades.
And they are all over him — this man who, by rights, should be their ideological enemy. But it doesn’t matter to them. Just like all this drama about fascists and Nazis doesn’t matter to them and never did. It’s theater. Anything to feel good at this particular moment. It’s a way to get in the 11 o’clock news, to be seen saying and doing the right things, before spending the night drinking, smoking, shooting up, and partying.
Maybe, even spending part of it chained to the cross, or beaten, cut, and choked.
Do you think it is an age thing? Let me disabuse you of this right now. The club isn’t the same as you see on TV. There are young 20 years olds, and old cougars. There are young men and old men, and everything in between, and in no particular ratio I can discern.
They all do it. I’ve recognized men of stature, wealth, and power. Millionaires and paupers. And I’ve seen thugs from the ghetto, and financiers of renown… all there, all in the same place, all doing the same things.
And do I care? Not personally. This is a job, and to be honest, some of the people who go to these places are good and fine people, and I get along with them famously. But that’s not the problem here, that’s not the contradiction. People who find a thing they like, even if normal folks regard it as twisted, aren’t the issue.
The trouble is the hypocrisy of it all, the person who protests Nazis, then wants to be beaten by a Nazi, the person who says all sex is rape, and then fucks a dozen guys in a cocaine-fueled mega orgy.
If you want to experience these things, and admit it to yourself, that is one thing. But the next day, you are suddenly a neo-Puritan? The standard bearer for why every time a guy in front of his computer jerks off, he’s committing the equivalent of rape? You say you are anti-fascist, dressing in black and either pretending to be a Nazi, or wanting to be dominated by one?
Or, perhaps since they are good Communists, they will summon the spirit of Lavrentiy Beria to do the deed? The Left has a history with this sort of thing, after all.
And so the TV cameras come out, and you’re Cotton Mather, praising the Salem Witch Trials… while at night, you are the witch. Who is the real you? These people are so very confused.
They are Cenobites who have lost entirely the ability to distinguish between pain and pleasure anymore. But what’s worse, they’ve lost the ability to distinguish the real and the unreal. Some of them don’t even know what gender they want to be, much less actually are. Another will say she has the soul of a kitty-cat. It’s solipsism in the extreme. What happened yesterday didn’t exist, and what will happen tomorrow will never exist.
Leftism has always had a fascination with erasing history in the Orwellian manner. So much the better if you don’t even believe history exists, or that yesterday ever mattered at all.
Only today, the moment, exists at all. Only the feelings of right now matter at all. There is no right and wrong, no pain and pleasure. Only present experience. It’s beyond Fatalism, which tells us that individual choice doesn’t matter, doesn’t really exist, that all such is illusion. They have gone beyond this, in that nothing objective exists.
So today, they want to pretend to be a superhero punching Nazis, and tomorrow they change their minds and want to go on a drinking binge in the club district and find the most Nazi-like human they can, and have sex with him. They are all heroes of their own little fantasy narratives, like every song is a personal movie soundtrack, and every event is a momentous struggle. Hailing a taxi cab is the equivalent of the Battle of the Bulge, getting up the stairs in a drunken stupor is the evacuation of at Dunkirk, losing weight is a quest Jason and his Argonauts would fail.
I guess burn more calories than you eat isn’t as dramatic as a quest to the ends of the Earth.
A poop swastika splattered on the wall of a University bathroom is a racial struggle reminiscent of the Million Man March. Enforcing border security is the same as Auschwitz. Donald Trump is literally Hitler. PewDiePie is a fucking Nazi. Calling an obese woman fat is the same as stoning them to death for being raped. Making a sexual joke is literal rape. Abortion is sacred, but everything we do is For the Children ™.
You can’t interrupt the narrative, the struggle in their own heads.
And meanwhile, Islamists stream across the borders of the West in numbers, and bring with them a culture that countenances the very same thing they claim to oppose, but seemingly want in secret, behind closed doors.
Why yes, she says, I will cover my head and body for you, my Islamist master.
Sweden’s Feminist government that don’t need no man, and fuck the Patriarchy, submitting to actual patriarchs.
I said, once, that much of the decline of the West could be seen from my DJ booth, and I wasn’t bullshitting you. There you can see the fruits of a society at war with itself, unsure of its own direction, helmed from the highest spires of Academia and government by solipsistic lunatics, hell-bent on destroying their own lives, and ours along with them.
My father is fond of saying that the time will come when evil is called good, and good is called evil. But today, we have a people who appear to be unable to even tell the difference, because they are no longer grounded by a belief in objective reality at all. It feels good, in that particular moment, to submit to Islam, and so they do it. There is no other reason. No good or evil.
The rationalizations all come later, after the decision is made and the thing is done.
They come to my clubs for the same reason.
I’ll see them again on Saturday.
I would add a clause: “No good or evil…except in the nomination of enemies.” The people of whom you speak here do believe in “evil” of a sort: the evil inherent in opposing them politically.
There’s more to this, and it deserves to be explored at some depth, but I’ll leave it there for now.
True. They see anyone who doesn’t want to be a part of their delusion as the enemy, as evil. Anything that interferes with their feelings is evil.
Also anyone who makes the sort of observations we see above. That’s ‘judgmentalism’ and it is the original, perhaps the ONLY sin.
“Judgmentalism … is the original, perhaps the ONLY sin.”
Perhaps that seems true for people who have no standards.
For Social Justice Warriors… yes, it is the only sin.
Why settle for a metrosexual Brony with a shaved chest when you can have a bearded barbarian with a scimitar?
Sign me up !
Seems to me, marriage benefits /fun lean heavily toward the male dominance afforded to Muslim Men. So much so that any Non muslim man must be a cowardly gayboy or worse.
If you own a set of balls and have been awake you have seen attack after attack by females demanding you make NO eye contact, or they will call the Police and have you prosecuted for a sex hate crime.
You get them into a head to foot black hijab and You will get better treatment.
BYE for now, I must get some coffee flowing before I can finish this most reasonable call to male sanity.
“demanding you make NO eye contact, or they will call the Police and have you prosecuted for a sex hate crime.”
To which I’d say, well, good luck with that. I’ve seen actual allegations of sexual assault that went nowhere.
Got accused of “visually sexually harrassing” a woman on a downtown construction job because we looked at her as we wete sitting on scaffolding eating lunch.
Woman was wearing a very very short skirt, a skin tight sleevelees top that showed at least D cups straining against the material and 6″ spike heels.
Cop she somehow got to walk over to question us was rolling his eyes at such insanity.
Then she caught him rolling his eyes so she demands he call a supervisor.
Capt. shows up and does same eye roll.
In the end we had to go to court over this nonsense.
Cops went to court to back us up- not stick up for psycho woman dressed like a hooker.
This sh*t and worse has been going on for at least 20 years.
These people have become the nazis and fascists they protest against.
Had a friend nearly get fired at an old job some time ago (I had to testify on his behalf to HR so he could keep his job) just because he said he didn’t want to “reach around X’s authority.” The woman in question would say all kinds of dirty shit in the office, but took offense at that — when said friend didn’t even mean it in a sexual manner whatsoever. He meant that because she was a manager, he didn’t want to go over her head.
He was still written up for it.
They are freakin insane. Women without issues are an increasingly rare find.
Latin girls, typically, are still quite sane.
Nice to know.
I married a sane lady years ago who agreed back then that most women were borderline insane. Especially among the supposedly educated college grads who spouted leftist nonsense.
Nietzsche warned about this.
Nihilism devours itself, but it will try to take you and our civilization with it.
At these times it helps to go back to the riches of Western Civilization past and remind yourself what real men and women lived and live for.
You might start by reading Gibbon. The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire is a bracing read and a reminder that the real barbarians come from within as much as without. It’s available for cheap through the WWW or used bookstores.
Much more enlightening than mainstream commercial nihilism like GRR Martin.
That’s because she (like the women and men mentioned in this article) are f’d in the head, have no salt, and obviously have too much time on their hands…and were probably not guided by their elders to be anything different.
Just the type of people to get all in awe over muslims — who are not as formidable up close (everybody bleeds, babycakes).
Sadly, the wienies are running the world now.
I run a troll blog on tumblr that just makes fun of women, and I get a surprising amount of female followers who run daddy dom blogs saying that I am so totally right about how women are scum and women are worthless and should be punished and abused.
as soon as I make a post suggesting that men avoid women and bury themselves in video games and hentai, the female attention dries up for months. they don’t like that.
anyone want to bet those same twats are openly feminist? I used to think they were just cowards and solipsistic, but this is actually worse. they are ruining boy’s lives, driving men to suicide, and wrecking civilization all for some gina tingles. and men let them do this.
“In my DJ career, I have spent a great deal of time in communities and scenes that normal folks would regard as underground.”
There’s some really interesting stuff out there, and by interesting I mean weird. My sister in law worked for a pop music station, and on Halloween they would host something called the Exotic Ball Zone. She was tasked with manning what was called the “human petting zoo”, and I’ll leave your imagination to it. She said it was one of the most disgusting things she’d ever seen.
“Then they can be a better victim, to achieve even less than they do now, to be nothing more than burka-clad object, who can’t read, or write, or drive an automobile.”
What was it you said in an earlier post, that victimhood (or something similar) was intellectual posing? When someone has little else going for them, they will assume the victim identity so they don’t have to look inside at their own shortcomings.
I ran across this interesting blog some time ago (a shrink who specifically helps men break free from bad cycles, although I don’t think this is always a gender specific thing):
https://shrink4men.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/is-your-girlfriend-or-wife-a-professional-victim/
Observe this quote in particular:
It’s impossible to have a loving relationship of equals with a professional victim. She goes through life feeling slighted and angry, never taking responsibility for her actions or life. Good luck trying to talk to her about this. You’ll meet with extreme defensiveness and more blaming behaviors. Her only identity is that of victim: If she doesn’t believe she’s being victimized, then who is she? Someone who treats other people like crap and who is pissing her life away. It’s a matter of psychological self-preservation versus ego annihilation.
“The trouble is the hypocrisy of it all, the person who protests Nazis, then wants to be beaten by a Nazi, the person who says all sex is rape, and then fucks a dozen guys in a cocaine-fueled mega orgy.”
Really, what comes to mind when I see this is the cycle of abuse you hear about. Like the girl who was molested as a child, but then has copious amounts of sex when they grow up. You wouldn’t think that they would like that sort of thing, but psychologists would say that (a) it became their comfort zone and (b) they engage in that regularly so they can feel like they have “control” over the situation and have turned the tables on the metaphorical abuser, so to speak. Long story short—they are broken in their head.
“Some of them don’t even know what gender they want to be, much less actually are.”
Thus is the chronic confusion of an SJW. A young woman who lived with me had this sort of confusion in spades. She had the issue where she was 20 but acted like a 40 year old and believed she had more knowledge than her chronological age and many of her elders (I hate this shit, btw, for as someone who has actually been in the military, been a parent, and put in the years of living, I find this patently offensive).
This led to posts—on the ever reliable Tumblr—where they will state things like “All porn is rape culture”, while regularly posting pics of dildos and talking about their extravagant sex life. It’s like dude, what are you even about? Do you know? You’re a walking, talking, ignorant contradiction.
Will have to write a long reply later when I’m able, but yes, I spoke on the matter of intellectual posing before. What I didn’t fully articulate then, and what I tried to do here, is explain *why* they think this way. It’s not just that their identity is wrapped up in victimhood, though that’s certainly a part of it, it’s also because they enjoy feeling bad. They enjoy pain, both physically and emotionally.
Probably because they are irredeemably broken, somehow.
They like being a victim, because they like to suffer. In the old days, a teenage boy, for instance, might fantasize about naked supermodels, because that is pleasing. Or, perhaps, he fantasizes about being a famous rock star. A teenage girl might fantasize about a whirlwind romance, or being a famous singer, or being that supermodel. Again, because it’s pleasing.
Yet people today fantasize about degradation, humiliation, physical torment, even radical torture. And it’s not just a few BDSM enthusiasts, now. It’s the whole population to varying degrees. Garbage like 50 Shades of Gray hit a willing, thirsty market. (And as a side note, BDSM enthusiasts generally hate that book, because it’s “touristy”, but that’s another story).
They feel better imagining themselves victimized by fictional Nazis than they do being free and unoppressed. They crave the burka. To be told they are worthless. And it’s not just the women, either, though they are more readily observable. Men, also, have become this way. Quivering piles of wuss who *like* complaining that their lives suck, and that they are worthless.
They prefer feeling bad over feeling good. Or, at least, they are at the point where they can’t really tell the difference anymore.
“it’s also because they enjoy feeling bad. They enjoy pain, both physically and emotionally.
Probably because they are irredeemably broken, somehow.”
Never really occurred to me that they might enjoy the pain, anymore than the cultural strappings that victimhood gave them (which is significant in it’s own way, especially for someone who doesn’t want to do things the tougher way, such as getting out and working). With the limited personal experience I’ve seen with victim mentality, I end up hearing annoying iterations like this:
I can’t work because I have severe anxiety. But I don’t want to (fill in the blank….talk to a therapist, take medication, make phone calls, etc. unless it’s a recreational activity).
Or
Are my coping mechanisms bad? Yes. Am I going to keep doing them? Yes. Am I going to change them? No.
Maybe some of these people and their mental rationalizations are irredeemably broken, I don’t know. When they try to shift the burden of their responsibilities (either via welfare or something else) onto the populace, political climates like we have today result.
In the old days people who felt worthless would go the self destructive route, drink, drugs or suicide. Or they were stubborn like me and didn’t want to make someone happy by killing themselves so they just drive on. I’ve known of the BDSM scene for awhile but what you describe is just weird. It sounds like the stories you hear about the upper echelon Nazis.
Because I’ve DJed this scene for a long time, I’ve become more numb to it than most (something another commenter reflected on in this thread). That being said, the time came when I realized that this was very far what we might call the “open” culture, what you see in your office, or in the shopping malls.
Yet I recognized the same people in both. I encountered coworkers many times in the clubs, doing things you’d have a difficult time imagining, if you weren’t already familiar with them.
The people sitting in the next cube over… they may be doing it. The guy next to you on the freeway. The neighbor with the white picket fence and the pristine lawn. The financial adviser managing your portfolio. The gang banger who stole your bike.
They all go. And they all pretend to be offended by it later. Many even actively protest it.
It’s so strange. From the DJ booth, I feel like a detached observer, seeing both sides.
“The people sitting in the next cube over… they may be doing it. The guy next to you on the freeway. The neighbor with the white picket fence and the pristine lawn. The financial adviser managing your portfolio. The gang banger who stole your bike.”
When my mom got divorced she went through what I’ll politely term a “phase”. She got into the BDSM scene during this time and had some pretty darn interesting adventures, from what I can tell.
I still remember the day when I came home to her apartment and saw some dude, dressed in head to toe in saran wrap (naked underneath), wearing high heels and a wig. He was paying her so he could clean her house in that garb and have her mistreat him. She told me later he was a local elementary school teacher. Weird.
afor (whatever the name of the guy who writes the wimminz blog) has written more than one post about banging some skank whore who was a social worker who talked to rape victims (hard to type that without sarcastic sneering scarequotes). rape fetishism by proxy.
awalt. they don’t let their jobs or duties get in the way of pleasuring themselves to the thought of being sexually dominated.
My husband and I were swingers during the 1980’s, when relatively vanilla sexual activities were still the norm, and BDSM was considered a fringe kink. I remember throwing a couple of people out of one of the clubs for SM. I never thought at the time that the fat, bruised, self-loathing loser in the stairwell was a harbinger of the future.
One reason is that if your kink is breaking taboos, you will always be seeking new taboos to break. Hence the creeping normalization of oral (I’m old enough to remember when oral was kinky!), anal, BDSM, pain and degradation. For a historical example, see the Hellfire Club. It used to be understood that rakes and libertines had to ratchet up the thrills and the fetishes to get off.
It takes a strong philosophical and ethical basis to enter those communities and not be destroyed by them. I should write that up, it’s something my husband and I have discussed for 40 years, but I’ve never seen in print: how to be a prudent, ethical libertine.
I believe everything you say. The specifics you describe are as far from my world and experience as you can get, but I do believe that dysfunctional people seek out pain. I have several points to add:
1) A lot of depressed people, especially in the arts, work at being depressed. They hold onto it, it’s part of them, it’s their identify. They’ll read depressing books, they’ll watch depressing movies. They’ll glamorize it, romanticize it – look at literature and award-winning movies. Conversely, happy healthy sane stuff is despised as bourgeois – and yet happy healthy sane stuff is the best antidote to depression (along with meaningful and substantive achievement – but hey, that takes, like, real work, you know).
2) Anti-depressants cause psychotic behavior when taken over a long period of time (I speak from experience with a relative who was initially thought to be schizophrenic). I’m sure a whole lot of the pink pussy hat brigade have been on anti-depressants for years.
3) My parents had a single friend, a really nice lady, very sane, but who kept dating alcoholics. She didn’t want to date alcoholics, she actively tried to avoid them, but that’s who she kept winding up with. She finally gave up dating altogether. Are all men alcoholics? Of course not, but that’s what she’d imprinted on, that’s what she subconsciously found attractive. So if a guy continually finds himself with crazy-bitches, I guarantee it’s not because all women are crazy-bitches.
This is possible to overcome. My parents’ friend eventually found a good man and has been married ever since. But you have to use your brain and look for character first. (Sex makes us all stupid.)
It is amazing how some people who seem to be nice decent people always end up in dysfunctional relationships. Some are obvious drama queens/kings but there are some that make you shake your head in wonder. I guess for those who don’t enjoy the drama it’s some form of self punishment.
Some think they are just an innocent who is always victimized while the real sad cases know that there is something wrong with themselves but have no clue what to do about it.
“It is amazing how some people who seem to be nice decent people always end up in dysfunctional relationships”
What amazes me even more are the shitty people who somehow stumble into good relationships, without doing much or anything to alter their behavior. The SJW I knew was admitted promiscuous, had issues with authority, didn’t like religion, bisexual, gay advocate, BLM advocate, and stated they “just wanted to fight someone” ended up marrying a Mormon Navy guy, of all things. Crazy. Wonder how that’s working out for them.
I think a lot of the wanting to be treated like dirt and liking the pain instead of pleasure is more that they find it easier to do than to make a change and do something productive. Quite possibly because they do not know how to do so. The knowledge is being lost rapidly as to how to be a man or woman, and being a victim is/has been being rewarded of late.
Reading this put me in mind of John Norman’s Gor novels. These novels were published first in 1966 and the most recent was published in2016. There are thirty-four of them. There is even a sub culture. Still I thought this was a small group of men who were reading this and not women acting out. Who knew? If the West is fundamentally transformed will these women achieve happiness as slaves or burka clad ciphers? They cause vastly more trouble than their numbers that’s for sure. By the way this post is a good place to pop off with outrageous suggestions for solutions.
BDSM has always been, and perhaps always will be, fundamentally about the women, not the men. Whatever the women desire, the community will provide. Like an insular free market… of pain. If women didn’t want this, it would disappear overnight. The market would dry up like the Sahara.
And the thing is, I don’t want to harp on the BDSM folks too much. Some of them like some weird shit, sure, but for one, they know it’s weird. And for two, with the “regular” BDSM folks, it’s usually very specific. At the risk of going into too much detail, the enthusiasts tend to have very fixed fetishes. Like there will be a guy who likes to spank women, and women who like spankings. Or another who likes suspension and rope play. Whatever.
You can say that maybe upstairs somewhere, the wires between pain and pleasure got crossed. Somebody put the positive wire in the negative terminal, or something.
But these days you see an increasing number of people who don’t think that way, either. They want all degradation… and all pleasure. They hate sex in the day, and love sex at night. Nazis are evil, and then Nazis are great Doms. It’s not just a wire in the wrong place, it’s a complete emotional disaster. There’s nothing to orient around. Maximum hypocrisy.
They don’t make any kind of sense, not even in a weird way.
“They don’t make any kind of sense, not even in a weird way.”
well the bottoms don’t. But wailing on some SJW’s, maybe even drawing some blood, sounds like a heck of a lot of fun. So you gotta tell em whatever they want to hear to get them there – talk is cheap, but pain is real.
You make a good point.
Could there be a connection between the increase in this behavior and the Ideological Subversion you referenced in an earlier post?
A friend of mine, while not being into BDSM per se (that I know of) did tell me, after she got a tattoo, that she understood how people got addicted to it, because she gets an endorphin rush from the pain. I don’t intend to check this out for myself anytime soon, but that’s what she said. She also has had an extremely screwed life – parents and siblings on drugs, suicides – so there might be a connection there.
My friend the ex-dominatrix always said there was a shortage of tops. Everybody wants to be bottom, then it’s all about them.
It’s always about the sub… which is why male subs are generally spurned (they have to pay to be topped, usually). To the outside observer, it would appear to be the men who are in charge. But it’s not, really. Men will do just about anything to get laid. Most Cenobites are female.
That’s brilliant! I’m old enough to remember when Gor was novel and kinky. My husband even went to the WorldCons where John Norman was a reliable joke. See my earlier comment about swinging and normalization of ever kinkier acts. The life of deSade shows this sort of thing cycles around. It is always associated with civilizational decadence. Caligula, too.
Most of the nurses I work with are Hispanic and quite sane. Actually, the farther you get away from the Coasts, the more sane the women tend to be. The UCLA women were quite nuts.
I married a Cuban woman… much more sane. And yes, the coasts are the worst, generally speaking.
“There is something deep here, some psychological damage present in the West, such that we, as an entire civilization, have lost the ability to take pleasure in anything”
That may be true with the crowd you run with but maybe you should get out more. There is a whole segment of the American population that is pretty decent, not the twisted soulless husks you do business with. What you are seeing and describing is the face of evil.
Evil comes in many forms, you’ve become so familiar with this form you don’t even recognize it for what it is. Also, most evil people aren’t necessarily evil all the time in all aspects of their lives. Hitler our current archetype of evil was a vegetarian and loved animals.
Think about it, who exactly are these degenerates protesting against? It’s the norms that they despise. They’ve descended into a nihilistic hell and are damn well gonna do everything that they can to take everyone with them.
There seems to be something utterly dysfunctional with Western liberalism that causes societal suicide. Most if not all liberal western countries are in a major population decline because many people in these countries have decided to not have children.
Children used to be a vital part of humanity. Families needed children to prosper even survive. Children was a person’s old age pension. Nowadays children aren’t needed for any of that. In fact children are a major financial burden and a major time suck. So given that many people are selfish I guess it isn’t surprising that many go childless nowadays. Much of the current negativity to people having large families is an unconscious defense for our childless culture. I think this breakdown of the ancient family contract is one if not the major reason for our cultural/societal malaise.
Remember while our society and culture seem normal to us, historically it is utterly aberrant.
“That may be true with the crowd you run with but maybe you should get out more.”
I live in many worlds. I see the good, and the bad. Today we’re talking about the bad. And there’s a reason for it: for a very long time, the bad have ruled our civilization, determined its cultural trajectory.
“Evil comes in many forms, you’ve become so familiar with this form you don’t even recognize it for what it is.”
That I recognize it is precisely why I posted about it.
“Think about it, who exactly are these degenerates protesting against? It’s the norms that they despise. They’ve descended into a nihilistic hell and are damn well gonna do everything that they can to take everyone with them.”
Correct. The rest of your reply is on point. The breakdown of the family is a large part of how we got to this point, and what’s going on. Life’s central purpose, outside of any religious context, is to pass on information to the next generation. Genes and Memes, they say. When that purpose is removed, all that remains is religion and nihilism. One or the other. Theists often have an out, in that they might devote their lives to God (though this can sometimes be bad, also, depending on the religion. See: Islam). Atheists have no such defense, so if they reject the culture and the family, nihilism is what remains.
Then you get this sort of thing.
Ahh, atheists. Most of them are smug tools who hate, with a burning passion, Christianity. Not so much other religions, mainly Christianity.
They like to go on and on about the evils of religion (which in their minds is solely Christianity, some of the braver ones might mention Islam) but ignore that most religious atrocities were done for secular reasons. In other words some bad guys wanted someone else’s property and/or feared them and used religion to justify their acts. If a handy religion wasn’t available, they’d come up with some other rational.
If you want to enrage a smug atheist, point out that in the 20th century atheists murdered more people in a far, far shorter time span than all of the religious atrocities in history. After all Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were atheists. Usually their comeback is that Hitler was a Christian but in reality Hitler despised Christianity as a religion for the ‘weak’. He wanted to bring Germans back to their pagan roots, a religion he perceived as much more appropriate for Aryans.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback and kudos on a killer article.
Post-modern philosophy, socialism, moral relativism, ahistorical grievance-farming are the intellectual side of the rot. Whether they are cause or effect, they deliberately spread the evil, cunningly disguised as pleasure and freedom.
The only woman I ever had sex with who liked getting tied up was publicly a “fierce feminist”. She liked it rough enough that it took me some getting used to….just short of bruising. The next day at work it was all “how dare that guy look at me that way, does he think I’m just a piece of meat?” Took all the strength I had not to laugh. And me? Bearded, 6’1″, and very muscular (back then) and driving a Dodge Ramcharger with a gun rack and a Bush I bumper sticker. Just the kind of guy she’d have told her girls she hated. But every Friday night it was Cenobite Night (really wish I had thought of that.)
The correlation between fierce feminists and the customers of some of these clubs is very, very strong. In fact, while many of the Doms are Republican men… I’ve never seen a sub who wasn’t a Leftist. Not a single one.
Dystopic, this post is great, overall. One problem: I don’t think “Cenobites” is the right term to use/borrow here.
(Not sure if it was you, Dystopic, or the guy you quoted, who selected the term “Cenobites” for these folks?)
The original Christian monastics were hermits; i.e., living alone (e.g. St. Anthony of the Desert). But the “Cenobites,” who came slightly-later, had a life that was slightly less severe, because they lived in community. (Both groups wanted to get away from the craziness of decaying Roman culture and find peace out in the quiet spaces.)
So “Cenobite” means the opposite of what I think you’re intending.
You’re better off using the term “Flagellant” rather than “Cenobite.” Now those folks were serious self-abusers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenobitic_monasticism#Christian_monasticism
The original commenter, and myself, used the definition from Clive Barker’s Hellraiser movies. No relation to the church whatsoever, except Clive possibly borrowed it for reasons known only to him.
Hit up wikipedia for a quick rundown on Hellraiser.
Hellraiser Wiki: “Barker drew inspiration for the cenobite designs from punk fashion, Catholicism (the overall design is a modified cassock, the traditional garment of a Catholic priest until the sixties) and by the visits he took to S & M clubs in New York and Amsterdam.”
Full circle. Even in the nihilistic anti-culture, pre-60s Catholicism is the “Real” against which so much rebellion is raised; likewise in the novel, a character is named “Immacolata”; a take on “Immaculata”, one of the names of Mary revealed/ given to visionaries like Fatima or Lourdes.
Thus we see lapsed Catholic “Our” Lady Gaga at the SuperBowl cultural/ religious festival (where human trafficking victims are bought and sold and abused and worse) dressed as.. a hellish Nun.
How low can you go? Not far enough to escape God, or his shadow– but far enough to all but erase his image in your body and soul, to deny reason and love and truth. Hell on earth.
Is the explanation that in this culture today, especially after public school indoctrination, the cult of ‘valiant victimhood’ leads to a masochistic competition to self-degrade and to BE victimized – as a way to achieve attention, or value?
In short, yes. It’s a competition over who can claim the worst life, the most suffering, the greatest amount of pain. Even if they have to make some of it up.
as an actual child abuse victim, I have to say I definitely do not care for being abused. not then, not now, not ever.
people think I’m a bit touchy when it comes to being made fun of. they just can’t comprehend what it’s like for me. dunno how else to explain it.
it’s like one of those kids from saddam’s child dungeons being wheeled out on a stretcher, only to have it kicked over right outside the front door by a very loud and extroverted women surrounded by tv cameras calling the kid a “little pussy ass faggot” and being told to “man up and walk away” despite having your feet caned so badly you can’t even stand up.
Perhaps they see Nazis everywhere because they think they are living in the Weimar Republic. The clubs seem to be the same.
It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. They create the Nazis they hate… and secretly adore.
A lot of SJWs like this were either molested as children, or treated like crap for sex in high school and college by people whom they foolishly trusted. Many of them were raped for real as adults, by someone with a cool reputation for being “progressive.” But their self-image will not let them admit this.
That is what makes them do crazy things. The sexual abuse has to be rationalized as part of an exotic sex life, rather than gotten over. Everyone else must be reported, to cover their own inability to report their rape or abuse to the police. Real victimhood is covered up by fake victimhood.
If they could admit to themselves that somebody did bad things to them and made them participate, or that aborting their baby as a consequence of coercion was a bad thing, they would have to confront their real sorrows instead of their fake triggers.
The rest of the SJWs are mostly working off anger at their parents over divorce or lack of moral guidance. Without a strong father in their lives, they cannot pick good men and have lousy dating lives. Again, though, they can’t admit the real problem. So they pick the worst possible scenario and pretend it is what they want. And eventually, I suppose they are addicted to it.
I forgot to mention the third factor. Evil bullies are only impressed by a more evil bully who can push them around. Some of these SJWs probably find inspiration and aspirational value in being strongarmed and mistreated. It is their example of perfect human behavior, and gives them something to emulate during the rest of the week.
“A lot of SJWs like this were either molested as children, or treated like crap for sex in high school and college by people whom they foolishly trusted.”
Citation? And what is ‘a lot’? A majority? A large minority? What you’re saying sounds good but I don’t think there is any evidence to back it up. Then there is the whole ‘rape’ thing. Are we talking about ‘rape, rape’ or the more casual definition of ‘rape’ nowadays? If you think you were raped, does that necessarily mean you were really raped in the old fashioned sense? Muddying up the definition of rape allows people to make all sorts of sensational claims nowadays.
What you describe is evil behavior. But, I think the cause is deeper. It is demonic. These people, a lot of them, need deliverance. Some need exorcism.
No wonder they hate God and all good.
It’s hard to tell what is behind it anymore. My understanding of it is empirical. Observational. I witness it, no more, no less.
Excellent essay. Although I’d replace Alaric with Fritigern at Adrianople 378 – he was the Goth (that word again) who actually got INVITED.
I’ve posted an essay at my blog floating a hypothesis that women like this helped scupper the Byzantine response to Islam over the 10s/630s. It’s not an argument, yet…
Got a link to that? Always up for some Byzantine history…
It was on my name, but I realised you’ll probably want a more permanent link so: try the link on THIS post’s name . . .
For these people, it’s all about “me”. In the daytime, they’re in a protest, which means they in the parade. At night, they’re “victims”, because the center of attention is the sub.
Exactly. Always, they must be at the center of attention. Whether for pain, pleasure, or adoration… or all three combined.
I came here via Instapundit.
Here in LA, I hang out in the Goth scene (and have friends who are active in the BDSM scene). You described it to a T.
A lot of the night scene do work by Virtue signaling, but a few a waking to how that doesn’t work anymore. It’s still a year and a day to defeat the media propaganda about the Right, but I am watching people slowly wake up.
(Cool Hat Tip to the Cenobites)
“pain through pleasure”?
oddly eloquent as is, but kinda doubt it’s what you intended
Originally it was “pleasure through pain” but when writing it, I flipped the words by accident. I liked it, though, and so I kept it that way. Because for them, pain is pleasure, and pleasure is pain. The two are blurred, almost one and the same with them.
Pretty insightful. I’m impressed.
Out of curiosity, what are the numbers here? How many people come to these events? It strikes me that a lot of what you observe is the entertainment of those with time and money and opportunity to spare for it; that stuff like this is happening does not speak well for our culture, but if it remains the luxury of a minority it may be less of a danger precursor than we fear.
I have read the original essay and subsequent comments with interest. However, I have refrained from posting a comment of my own, fundamentally because of the deep disgust and revulsion I feel for these cenobites/flagellants/virtue-signalling SJWs and their utterly contemptible, nauseating & vile behavior. I would not be able to DJ such venues and events as Dystopic does. He has clearly built a robust mental defense that allows him to do the job he was hired to do as DJ without ‘losing his lunch’ upon witnessing the debauchery and depravity of some of these underground scenes. I, OTOH, would find myself rejecting such DJ’ing opportunities after only a short while, as every time I accepted such a gig I would find myself either idly entertaining the same thoughts of the central character in “Taxi Driver” or tuning my mind out of my surroundings to such an extent that I could simply not continue spinning tracks.
This does raise a question in my mind, though: why do such people exist? It’s likely every society throughout history has had some sort of underground that supports/tolerates behaviors and acts that the culture considers unacceptably deviant. Yet having grown up on the east coast and lived on the west coast, I have the impression based purely on empirical observation that this underground has grown to an unhealthy size in our culture. Even in ‘flyoverville’ between the coasts, there is an epidemic of drug abuse of such a level that employers seem to be having the devil of a time hiring workers who don’t periodically arrive at work intoxicated or who too often fail to show up because of their indulging in a drug and/or alcohol binge.
I have a pet theory about this, of course. 🙂
Per Strauss & Howe and their Generational Cycle theory of dynamic societies, we are currently in a Crisis period that will resolve itself by the mid to late 2020’s. Based on my own observations, I believe the Generational Cycle concept has merit. It’s not perfect, but it does seem to track loosely with developments in Western Civilization over the last 500 years (basically since the start of the Renaissance and Enlightenment, when the West began to shake off its medieval shackles of economic, political and social authoritarianism imposed by the warlord-derived aristocracy and the Church.)
These crisis periods resolve themselves with the adoption of a new and energized cultural ‘order’ with a clear direction. Whether that resolution is positive or negative is unpredictable. The cycles can be broken into 4 periods/’generations’ of 20-25 years each, so that a cycle completes within a century.
However, I believe the current Generational Cycle is, unfortunately, coinciding with another historical cycle of greater than a century in magnitude. In the early 20th century, Arnold Toynbee conducted an exhaustive study of civilizations/societies/cultures throughout recorded history and developed his own theory of civilizational cycles. He proposed a theory wherein a culture would arise from a collection of peoples or tribes that was a response to the circumstances they faced – either challenges of the physical environment, challenges imposed by other groups/societies or some combination. This society would grow, expand and prosper as it was faced with challenges and overcame them. However, once it encountered a challenge which it could not overcome despite multiple, serial attempts, it would ossify, fracture and collapse both from within and without. From its ashes would arise a ‘phoenix’ that preserved structures of the old society which were still valid/useful, discarded that which was no longer of use, and form new structures/methods/tools for dealing with obstacles, challenges and threats.
I have come to believe that the civilization of the West, with more than a few principles and structures inherited from the Greeks & Romans and greatly enhanced by new tools and ideas derived from the Renaissance and Enlightenment, has passed its peak and is now in its dissolution/collapse phase. The problem/challenge that the West has faced ever since the French Revolution and continued thru the Industrial Revolution, the argument between Adam Smith and Karl Marx that resulted in the Cold War, the fundamental rift between parties that advocated Rousseau’s “Perfectibility of Man” and the adherents of Smith, Thomas Paine and others who advocated the rights of the Individual – in short, the conflict between collectivism and the rule of ‘philosopher kings’ against advocates of personal freedom and property rights over the ‘fair’ distribution of power and wealth in a society – seems to be the one challenge that the West has never completely overcome.
As a result of this possible confluence of the crisis periods of both the Generational and Cultural/Civilizational ‘Waves’ in the West, we may be experiencing a magnified breakdown of social order, rejection of institutions and decay of manners and norms that both cycles portend. Hence, the rise of this possibly oversized group of cenobites/flagellants in the form of Goths and SJWs, the collapse in birth rates across the West, the incredible decay in respect for education, achievement and accomplishment in favor of “YOLO” lifestyles and the increasing abandonment of Christianity accompanied by the rise of bizarre cults or adoption of religious practices outside Western culture (Buddhism and aspects of Hinduism in particular.)
Hopefully I’m completely wrong and all this will blow over by 2025 so that America can return to the Moon, terraform Mars, mine the asteroid belt, begin manned exploration of Ganymede, Europa and Titan as a prelude to a more extensive/partial terraforming with an eye towards some level of colonization and perfect an Alcubierre drive that can make near interstellar travel a genuine possibility. At least, I think all these things would be very, very fun – vastly more fun than the disgusting, debasing and ultimately retarded shenanigans engaged in by the assorted self-hating, non-achieving, gutless idiots in the underground scene.
(p.s. If the above rant is simply too much for the blog, please delete, Dystopic, and accept my apologies for having posted it.)
As much as I’d like to claim robust mental defenses, it is more a case of automatically tuning things out. After a while, you develop the ability to kind of not see whatever would bother you. When I started DJing in the late 90s, it wasn’t like this. Oh, sure, it was never a bastion of what you would call proper behavior. But the music business is a dirty business, generally, so some amount of it is to be expected. You learn to take the good with the bad, when you have to get your start spinning in a dive bar somewhere, someplace that’ll take a chance on you.
However, things have gone slowly downhill over the years. It’s a mess, now. Even the BDSM folks are often shocked by it. They’ve been around a lot longer than most people realize, but there was a time where they were very underground. When to get in, you’d have to know someone, and pretty much everybody respected it as highly private and eccentric. When I first DJed for them, it was because a friend of mine was dating the guy that organized it. I was pretty poor in those days, and the money was good.
These days, bondage is normal. It’s everywhere. Everybody does it. It’s almost a cliche now. Normal people do bondage like it was something you could find on rollback at a Walmart. And they demand ever-greater amounts of pain to obtain pleasure. One woman who got kicked out of the more secure BDSM clubs because she demanded that her Dom put out a cigar on her leg (which he did), and then punch her in the face (which, so far as I know, he did not do because security said fuck no). I haven’t seen her since, but I heard through security that she is very proud of the resulting scar, and wants more of them. It’s a new thing, and they call it scarification… like tattoos made up of scar tissue. She is one of those loud “allies” for whom almost everything is a gay rights issue. Total Communist, too.
I’ve turned down some potential gigs because I’ve seen places that squick me out too much. At least the groups I DJ for tend to have a set of rules, and some robust security to prevent things from getting out of hand (relatively speaking). Some others do not, they’ve no controls whatsoever. And, quite frankly, I don’t want to be a part of that no matter how big the stack of cash is at the end of the night.
But, as I mentioned, even the “normal” clubs are getting like this. There is one club down the street which has 5 floors, one stacked above another. And on the third floor, IIRC, the floor is actually transparent, polished plexiglass, with lights aimed upward from it. The women know this, and generally wear short skirts with no underwear, and go to the third floor so the people on the second floor can stare at them. So much for the feminists that don’t like being sex objects, eh?
I don’t DJ there anymore, although they’ve gone more toward hip-hop, these days, which isn’t my genre anyway. But the whole place creeped me out. It’s still open, and I always see the worst sorts of people going in there. But it’s obscenely popular, too.
Behind that club is an alleyway, where, if you’ve the misfortune to look down it at the wrong time, you will see a number of people having sex. One woman I know went back there with a couple of guys once (I didn’t stay to watch what they did, for obvious reasons), and I happened to know she worked for the Hillary campaign. She was big on women’s rights, and fighting the Patriarchy. Except when she took a group of guys out behind the club for… whatever. It made me wonder if Hillary herself did this shit.
Eccentric and weird people will always be with us, and I guess I don’t mind that so much, per se… so long as their eccentricity is not regarded as the norm, and so long as they don’t presume to lecture me about their superior morality and virtue when the ugly lights come on. But therein lies the problem, it’s now becoming the norm, and they try to claim the moral high ground by spouting off the exact opposite of what they do. And they are seeking far more than mere eccentricity, now. They want to damage themselves, they want to explore ever-greater means of torment. There’s a word for it now. They call it “edge play.” Don’t look that up unless you want to be squicked out. It’s become a sickness. And it’s fast infecting the whole damn civilization.
And btw, I won’t delete your comments for long rants. Hell… what kind of a hypocrite would I be? So far, only spam and one comment from merkur has ever been deleted here. And that comment of merkur’s was after I deliberately state that I would not tolerate any further posts like that from him.
“These days, bondage is normal. It’s everywhere. Everybody does it. It’s almost a cliche now. Normal people do bondage like it was something you could find on rollback at a Walmart.”
I really didn’t know bondage was that prominent…I thought it was confined to extremely progressive places like San Francisco bars.
So, when I picture a nightclub utopia like Night At The Roxbury, it’s way off, is it?
“Except when she took a group of guys out behind the club for… whatever. It made me wonder if Hillary herself did this shit.”
I’d be surprised if Hillary was even into sex anymore…I get the impression she and Bill haven’t had a real marriage for a long time. I did read, around the time of the election, about some of her associates and their rumored unsavory activities. Getting too far into this stuff made my brain hurt and seemed like a bad dream. Remember PizzaGate, Podesta, and Spirit Cooking?
The Spirit Cooking lady (arguably a Satanist, because who uses 666 in their Twitter username just for shits and giggles?) had a past with “performance art” that involved painting with real blood. Even in a tightly regulated place like Southern California, this is allowed for some strange reason, but I think it’s sickening regardless. Link: https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/04/wikileaks-podestas-weird-spirit-cooking-made-of-blood-fresh-semen-and-breastmilk-by-artist-marina-abramovic-plus-hillary-and-al-gore-hate-each-other/
“There’s a word for it now. They call it “edge play.” Don’t look that up unless you want to be squicked out. It’s become a sickness. And it’s fast infecting the whole damn civilization.”
I’ll see you an “edge play” and raise you a “blue waffle”. j/k
I took the bait and looked it up. I guess there’s no end to the limits people will push in their pursuit of an endorphin high (or whatever).
Huffpost, of course, had to advocate for it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sandra-lamorgese-phd/edge-play_b_9473490.html
” It made me wonder if Hillary herself did this shit.”
I dunno if the Clintons were a symptom of our societies decent, a cause of our decent or a combination of both. I’ve always thought they were uber grifters who attracted depraved, desperate people. (When I think of ‘minions’ I always think of the people who work for the Clintons.)
Back when Bill Clinton first ran for the Democrat nomination most of the Democrat establishment knew exactly what he and Hillary were. Most went along because they were desperate to win the presidency and he seemed the best bet for victory. That’s when the Democrats threw out ‘character’ as a critical element for a politician and began to fetishize ‘intelligence’. The Democrat party has been a growing cesspool ever since. Their depravity and craziness has been steadily increasing and nowadays with the full support of most of the media they don’t even try and hide it.
I’ve been on the fringe of the Goth scene almost all my life – in Houston it was #s, here in Denver I suppose it’s Milk Bar and the Church (dunno if either of the latter are still a thing, but #s will outlive me). There was always some crossover with BDSM from what I saw, but most people into Goth were there for the music and the company. A lot of Goth was melodic anyway and not the bruising stuff you get with industrial. Robert Smith and Andrew Eldritch did nothing wrong :^P
… although I suppose these days they’d be relegated to “Emo”…
We did *sometimes* see some stuff like suspension, but those were kept to Halloween. I concur that BDSM was underground, at least in Houston. There they were called PEP, People Exchanging Power. I met some of them. One of the females *may* have been trying to recruit me, figuring me for a bottom. I wasn’t that intrigued, because, you know… the Cure and Sisters of Mercy. At the time I thought Rammstein was a bit much.
For some reason, this reminded me of a story I read in the August 1981 Penthouse (when I was 14!) called “Black and Blue Lagoon”, about where a culture had gotten so burned out that they went for more and more kinky sex, and a spaceship malfunction similar to the one in “The Blue Lagoon” dropped a couple of innocent kids onto a paradise planet, where they eventually have to make sex choices.
Wow! I remember reading that same story. But I could’ve sworn it was in National Lampoon, not Penthouse.
“There is something deep here…”
Lucifer, son of the morning.
basically, feminism is a shit test, and men are failing.
feminism will only end after the deaths of many women.
For a few years, a friend of mine has said that when he discovers someone is a liberal, he instinctively attempts to identify what their character flaw is.
Adam Carolla has basically described the types of people Dystopic is talking about as having “daddy issues”, with Uncle Sam essentially being the ultimate “daddy”, and they hate and want to strike back at anything that represents “daddy”. The more the cause is anti-daddy, the more fervently they embrace it.
Now Dystopic gives evidence that the vanguard of the unhinged left is being deeply damaged.
So I think it’s safe to say that it’s becoming more and more apparent that these people – collectivists, anarchists, liberal fascists, etc. – suffer some mental disorder.
The problem is, why are there so many of them? 5%, 10% of a population wouldn’t be alarming, but there are enough of these people to tip our cultural and electoral scales. Where do they come from in a society that is so historically affluent?
In answer to that, I conclude that people need real challenge in their lives, something meaningful to overcome. Some real or perceived threat. And in the absence of any meaningful hardship – which our society has largely been for the last few generations, certainly since the demise of the Soviet Union – I think that perhaps people are inclined to create their own existential struggle. That might explain what we are seeing (IE self-hatred/hatred of one’s own culture/impulses toward cultural suicide) and why we are seeing it in almost epidemic proportions that seem inverse to the peace and prosperity our society/system offers.
Interesting. I always thought that your serious leftists (not the virtue-signaling betas) were stuck in perpetual political ‘adolescence’. What I mean by that is a lot of kids go through a phase when the find out that their parents aren’t perfect were they think they are stupid morons about everything and that ‘Tommy’s’ parents who let him do anything are really cool. Fortunately most grow out of that phase.
Your serious lefty upon discovering that the US isn’t perfect enters what I call political ‘adolescence’. To them the US is a horrible place who’s history and culture are despicable and most of it’s citizens are stupid and evil. Now those commies over there have the cool countries. They know who to get things done.
It’s maddeningly stupid.
I think it was Stephan Moleneux who, when discussing the life of Che Gueverra, observed that a lot of devoted Communists were either very bad with money, or grew up in households that were very bad with money.
Rather than conclude that they’d be better off learning how to budget, they instead decide that money is evil and must be eliminated.
About that poop swastika… We don’t even know if it even existed… In this day of instant outrage, but also instant smart phone photos and videos, there was no evidence beyond… outrage…
Wow, what a post. Your eyes have been opened. Grandma Redpill says: If you were my son — which of course you’re not — but if you were, I would tell you to get out now while you still have a soul. It’s not too late.
I’m an old libertarian libertine who actually lived through the sexual revolution. I remember one of the most successful sexually scoring men of my acquaintance back in 1978 being asked with envy by some beta dweeb the secret of his success with women. The reply, “Low standards.”
But human nature (or evolutionary psychology) doesn’t change much over 50 years. The women who are easy to pick up for casual sex are not going to be the winners (except on a drunk), so of course you get crazy (in the currently fashionable emo style, rather different than the kinks of my youth).
By some estimates 25% of college women today are nuts. You can bet that the casual sex pool includes more nuts than non-nuts, so those odds suck, Studly.
This is a great post. I’m reposting at my place.
What you have experienced here explains a lot about gun control these days. The Lefties, being the type of people you are saying, imagine -everybody- is like them.
Chilling thought. No wonder they’re anti-gun and anti-freedom.
As well, the crazy females thing is something I saw in Toronto in the 1980s. White chicks were -nuts-. Didn’t know what they wanted, hated men, blah blah blah. This S&M shit is new though. In the old days they just treated men like movie rentals. Another day, another movie. Import models, much more sane. Added bonus, Indian and Chinese girls generally know how to count. White girls? No.
Here’s a thing. If they’re bent like this, the -worst- thing you can do is back down. If you apologize, you’re dog meat.
“Here’s a thing. If they’re bent like this, the -worst- thing you can do is back down. If you apologize, you’re dog meat.”
Might apply to people in general. A Hispanic male I’m having issues dealing with, at the moment, only gets ruder and more bitchy the more polite people act towards him. Same thing with another dude my friend was dealing with. Some people just won’t observe manners and common decency unless they’re given some boundaries and other effective pushback.
“…escape from reality is both the precondition and the goal of the cult of moral grayness. Philosophically, that cult is a negation of morality – but, psychologically, this is not its adherents’ goal. What they seek is not amorality, but something more profoundly irrational: a nonabsolute, fluid, elastic, middle-of-the-road morality. They do not proclaim themselves “beyond good and evil” – they seek to preserve the “advantages” of both. They are not moral challengers, nor do they represent a medieval version of flamboyant evil worshipers. What gives them their peculiarly modern flavor is that they do not advocate selling one’s soul to the Devil; they advocate selling it piecemeal, bit by bit, to any retail bidder.”
– The Cult of Moral Grayness, by Ayn Rand
https://campus.aynrand.org/works/1964/01/01/the-cult-of-moral-grayness
Found this quote that seems to fit this subject.
Those who will not govern themselves are condemned to find masters who will govern over them. -Steve Pressfield The War of Art